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Good to see I’m not COMPLETELY (though almost) alone. Fort he record, I’m dead serious about getting something concrete going and I’m going to contact some members of the local (Vancouver BC) movers and shakers I know to see if there’s any interest. Who I really need is someone like-minded with credentials and a public profile to get things rolling. Does anyone come to mind for anyone else?
I was prepared to devote a lot of time to Perenno if enough qualified people expressed interest. Unfortunately that did not happen and now I am way too busy with my career. All I can say is do your best networking. I hope you succeed. If you do I will contribute what I can with my limited time.
This site doesn’t seem to be very active and there don’t seem to be many other similar sites. This is surprising, since the possibility of social collapse of some sort in the next few decades is real. I’m also not sure whether anyone here is trying to get something concrete going to attempt to preserve some part of our civilization’s knowledge, H-bombs and germ warfare exempted.
Anyway, for the record, here are some thoughts as to how the problem should be addressed.
- There are more efficient ways to preserve knowledge than a single multi-billion dollar government-supported facility. A single site would be vulnerable to whatever catastrophe befell the world. Assuming it survived, its location and contents would probably be known and the facility would therefore probably be a tempting prize for whichever semi-literate local warlord(s) eventually came to power. In the event it was overrun, it would likely be trashed to some degree.
- My idea for knowledge preservation is based on a science fiction story I read years ago. In that story, aliens planted a “knowledge gate” on earth to monitor the progress of human intelligence. The “gate” was actually a series of gates to sequential virtual rooms, each one containing knowledge of increasing complexity. Access to the next room required solving a puzzle based on knowledge mastered in the previous room. A similar concept could be applied successfully to advance a post-apocalyptic world.
- Based on the foregoing and probably because I’m a Geological Engineer by training, my vision is as follows:
o Scores of sites would be built around the world in abandoned mine workings. Most of these would survive any conceivable catastrophe short of a very large asteroid impact.
o Locations would be semi-secret but it would be made generally known that the sites contained little of value except knowledge media. This would eliminate the “war prize” factor.
o Surface entrances would be concealed, but at each location, there would be an indicator (light, siren) on a timer programmed to broadcast its presence and entry instructions at various random intervals, say 50 to 500 years out. Sites would broadcast their locations at different times
o Each location would consist of several underground rooms containing knowledge media. Instructions regarding the location of the next room would require mastering the knowledge in the previous one. If the rooms were camouflaged to some degree, they would be almost impossible to find in an underground labyrinth of abandoned drifts, raises, stopes, etc. without instructions.
o Rooms’ contents would be similar at all sites, probably starting with basic language (English, Chinese?) instruction. Sites would have to include local content to some degree. It would make little sense to show someone how to mine bauxite to smelt aluminum in places where there is none or how to make steel where there is little coal, limestone or iron ore.
- Initially, significant research will be necessary to get something like this going. I’m pretty sure, however, that each site could eventually be built at a cost comparable to that of building a few of modern school buildings. The research, knowledge accumulation and site construction could therefore probably be undertaken by a non-profit private foundation. I’d be willing to contribute funds to such a foundation myself and I’m convinced thousands of people like me around the world would do likewise.
Anyway, that’s my two cents worth for now. Hopefully some like-minded people will read this and contact me to try and get something concrete like this off the ground. There’s probably still a few decades left before the doo-doo hits the fan but time definitely appears to be running out.
Thanks for the ideas. You are right about the lack of activity here. I had expected a lot of participation but there seems to be little interest in concrete plans to preserve knowledge if the worst happens. Maybe that will change someday.
I am quite sincere in my disappointment that there appears to be no activity at this forum. I also read a number of “survivalist” sites, which have a lot of activity. While the spark is growing on many of them of the need to preserve an expanded community, in a collapse it is not clear that it can be created “after the fact”.